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	<title>Comments on: Pondering Hate Crimes and Hate-Crime Laws</title>
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		<title>By: mongrelpuppy</title>
		<link>http://www.adfinemfidelis.net/mongrel/2007/05/pondering-hate-crimes-and-hate-crime-laws/comment-page-1/#comment-2115</link>
		<dc:creator>mongrelpuppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 22:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for whether there should be increased penalties for people&#039;s intentions, I agree with you. But the bill also provides extra funding for investigating hate crimes. 

When a hate crime occurs, it does not just affect the surrounding community. It affects every member of the victim&#039;s group all over the country for years to come. This cannot be overstated. As a Jew, whenever I hear about anything from the bombing of a synagogue to the attempted pogrom at Crown Heights 1991, I tend to feel unsafe. There have been times where I have wanted to flee to Canada or felt a sense of unbelonging. My mother sometimes has nightmares about a Holocaust occurring in the United States.

Is that rational? Of course not. I admit that such disproportionate feelings might be considered borderline insane. But human nature is not rational, and this is how members of any minority group feel when a hate crime is committed.

Clearly then a hate crime is not just a physical attack against the victim, but an emotional attack against the whole group. As such, more resources should be put into investigating such crimes than simple murders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for whether there should be increased penalties for people&#8217;s intentions, I agree with you. But the bill also provides extra funding for investigating hate crimes. </p>
<p>When a hate crime occurs, it does not just affect the surrounding community. It affects every member of the victim&#8217;s group all over the country for years to come. This cannot be overstated. As a Jew, whenever I hear about anything from the bombing of a synagogue to the attempted pogrom at Crown Heights 1991, I tend to feel unsafe. There have been times where I have wanted to flee to Canada or felt a sense of unbelonging. My mother sometimes has nightmares about a Holocaust occurring in the United States.</p>
<p>Is that rational? Of course not. I admit that such disproportionate feelings might be considered borderline insane. But human nature is not rational, and this is how members of any minority group feel when a hate crime is committed.</p>
<p>Clearly then a hate crime is not just a physical attack against the victim, but an emotional attack against the whole group. As such, more resources should be put into investigating such crimes than simple murders.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Rider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2007 04:07:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple things....

First, committing a crime against somebody is not automatically the same as a lynching.

Second, if you do something like that for the purpose of terrorizing a community, there&#039;s already a crime on the books for that.  It&#039;s called &quot;terrorism&quot;.

Thirdly, the root of the issue is the difference between &quot;intent&quot; and &quot;motive&quot;.  We have always had crimes where intent comes into play -- it&#039;s the difference between, say, &quot;Murder in the First Degree&quot; and &quot;Manslaughter&quot; (or for that matter, &quot;tragic accident&quot;).

*Motive* on the other hand, has never been the basis for calling something a crime.  It can have an evidentiary purpose in showing guilt, but ultimately _why_ you (for example) kill someone (for their wallet or their race) doesn&#039;t change the fact of the crime:  murder.  The intent to kill is what makes the crime.

In other words, we have always punished the Act, not the thoughts accompanying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things&#8230;.</p>
<p>First, committing a crime against somebody is not automatically the same as a lynching.</p>
<p>Second, if you do something like that for the purpose of terrorizing a community, there&#8217;s already a crime on the books for that.  It&#8217;s called &#8220;terrorism&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thirdly, the root of the issue is the difference between &#8220;intent&#8221; and &#8220;motive&#8221;.  We have always had crimes where intent comes into play &#8212; it&#8217;s the difference between, say, &#8220;Murder in the First Degree&#8221; and &#8220;Manslaughter&#8221; (or for that matter, &#8220;tragic accident&#8221;).</p>
<p>*Motive* on the other hand, has never been the basis for calling something a crime.  It can have an evidentiary purpose in showing guilt, but ultimately _why_ you (for example) kill someone (for their wallet or their race) doesn&#8217;t change the fact of the crime:  murder.  The intent to kill is what makes the crime.</p>
<p>In other words, we have always punished the Act, not the thoughts accompanying it.</p>
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